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Como Bluff by bioimagen Como Bluff by bioimagen
Como Bluff, 1995
(Brachiosaurus brancai,
Apatosaurus ajax,
Dryosaurus altus

Marco Antonio Pineda
Gouache
30.0 x 48.0 cm
Particular collection

Some famous plant eaters from Upper Jurassic of North America. This artwork was made in 1995, according to ideas of Robert T. Baker about paleoenviroment for Como Bluff and Gregory S. Paul and his conception of dinosaurs.

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Snakeman2013 Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2015   General Artist
Looks like something from Africa!
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FredtheDinosaurman Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Student General Artist
Such a gorgeous illustration! I love how it resembles the African savannah. If you don't mind me asking, what are the yellow plants covering the field?
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2015
Thanks Fred
My first idea come after reading to Robert T. Bakker and Gregory S. Paul several years ago about opened areas for plausible habitat for sauropods, from that initial idea, I decided located them on an habitat similar to grassland, but in jurassic times, ther are not grasses. Probabbly ferns were domiant plants in those times.
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FredtheDinosaurman Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2015  Student General Artist
Yeah, ferns is what I thought of aswell. Although, the yellow field you did does look like grass :/ I guess you didnt want to get too specific with the detail in that area. Great art man!
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QueenSerenity2012 Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014
Did this ever appear in any books, because it is beautiful and definitely brings to mind the greats of the 80's-90's paleoart scence. 
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dengshixun Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2014
cool!
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brolyeuphyfusion9500 Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2013
Very good painting.

About the Apatosaurus' size, unlike what other say it's pretty accurate if you think about it. OMNH 1670 is labeled as an A. ajax, and scaling it based on :iconscotthartman: 's A. ajax skeletal gives a length figure in excess of 30 meters.
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DinoBirdMan Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2013  Student Artist
The best background place which is I like to called, "the real Jurassic Park" or should I say "Jurassic Serengeti.":)
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aymen11 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
i love that the diplodicids are all staring at the brachiasaurs who think there so high and mighty. but the leader of the diplodicids doesnt give a shit and keeps eating the leaves. bravo my friend!
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omnicogni Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2012   General Artist
Your paleoenvironments are so good!
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Algoroth Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
Very nice pic! One critique; the tallest brachiosaur's left arm is either badly deformed or you need to shorten his forearm and lift the manus off the ground. I love the spines you gave the sauropods and the feel of the pic is like, hey! New gang moving in!
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SameerPrehistorica Featured By Owner May 19, 2011  Hobbyist
Very nice...Good job
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antonioVenator Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2011
Hermoso! una grandiosa inspiración :D
Me encanta y más como muestras lo que para estos seres vendría siendo cotidiano, oficialmente, me has inspirado :D
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2011
Gracias Antonio.
Un gusto verte por aquí. La intención de mi trabajo es mostrar a las especies extintas en sus actividades cotidianas, más o menos como las veríamos si estuvieran en su ambiente natural hoy en día.
Con la limitante de que el registro fósil es frustrantemente escaso cuando se requiere información.

Saludos
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Deinowilly Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The dryosaurus-like or othniellia or whatever are very very beautiful, congratulations
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2011
thanks Deinowilly,
they are Dryosaurus, I´m very glad that you like them

Best wishes
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GalileoN Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2011
Me encanta !!!
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2011
Gracias Galileo,
muchas felicidades por tu trabajo.

Saludos
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ksdinoboy95 Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2011
O.M.G.!-!-! I am a paleofiction writer and this --THIS INCREDIBLE,AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWSUM work is perfect for an illustration in chapter-#5 of my new book project!it fits my storyline like PERFECT....!...hey sorry,my name is KENNEY and im in my first year as a paleofiction writer so Im allways researching...(good paleofiction comes from good paleo-fact_)anyways if you would see fit to honor me w/some of your work,?I would be blessed my friend.I really do like this.but if not you have my respect and your new friend--KENNEY
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2011
Hi! Keney thanks a lot, it willl be a honor for me
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pilsator Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Instant fave. It's a textbook example of epic 90's paleoart painting that belongs on a museum wall.
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Paleo-King Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Gorgeous painting, I'm faving this one! It really shows the different body shapes and 3d forms of Brachiosaurus and Apatosaurus.

Only problem is, Brachiosaurus was bigger than Apatosaurus, whereas here you made the Apatosaurus look bigger, more massive, larger bodies, etc. Though digitally it's an easy fix, to scale up the Brachios by 20-30% since they don't overlap with anything major.
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2011
Hi! Paleo-King,
good point, Apatosaurus was more massive and few larger (near 23 mt large) than Brachiosaurus (21 mt large), may be looks bigger because one of them its close at observer and its stand up.
Brachiosaurus was a weight near 31 tons and Apatosaurus 17-18 tons.
Perhaps one can have an approximate idea looking Apatosaurus on herd, behind that stand up one, they are almost at same plane than Brachiosaurus herd, that looks almost at same scale and looks smaller.
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Paleo-King Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Sorry, I think there's some confusion here...

You're saying Apatosaurus was more massive? But then you say it was only 18 tons and Brachiosaurus was 31 tons. Those are two contradictory statements.

Furthermore, the measurements in meters are just length, they have nothing to do with mass or volume - and your estimates are wrong (don't take it personally). Even if a FEW documented Apatosaurus individuals reached 23m (most did not), Brachiosaurus still had far greater mass and volume than Apatosaurus - which is the opposite of what the painting suggests. Furthermore your estimate of 21m for Brachiosaurus is too low. 21m = 69.3 feet, which is actually more like a typical Apatosaurus length. Although Brachiosaurus had a shorter tail, it had a much longer neck and torso and greater overall size, making Brachiosaurus actually longer than most Apatosaurus. The type specimen of Brachiosaurus altithorax was 24m (80 feet long), as it had a longer torso than the similar-sized Berlin Giraffatitan (HMN-SII), which was 23m (75 feet) long. But both of these animals were not fully grown, as their scapulae and coracoids were unfused. In fact, there are even larger Brachiosaurus and Giraffatitan remains known, Brachiosaurus probably reached up to 28m (92 feet) long as an adult (if you cross-scale from the Potter Creek remains and also using the largest Giraffatitan specimen, HMN XV2, as a reference). That's right, Brachiosaurus wasn't 75 feet long as an adult - it was more like 90 feet.

So realistically, the Brachiosaurus in the painting should be about 20-25% larger than they are, or the Apatosaurus should be 20% smaller. The good news it this can be done quite easily digitally, you don't have to go back and mess with the actual painting.

You're correct about one thing though - the Apatosaurus that's in the foreground is closer to the observer than the Brachiosaurus herd, but that doesn't account for its excessive size, and it's not THAT much closer. The Apatosaurus individuals behind it are also too big relative to the Brachiosaurs, despite being farther away, so the only way this scene would make sense is if the brachiosaurs are a subadult herd. We know that this probably isn't a realistic assumption, because all the known trackways of Brachiosaur herds show a mix of different-sized individuals from 2-ton juveniles to huge 40-ton adults. As soon as the babies reached a ton or more, they probably joined up with a mixed-age herd. Beyond that size, they no longer lived in size- or age-segregated herds.
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2011
Hi! PaleoKing,
thanks for explanation. I´ll take it for posteriors artwork

Best wishes
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Brad-ysaurus Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2011
What kind of plants make up the yellow "grass" under the dinosaurs? I haven't seen that in many paleoenvironment reconstructions before.

I'm surprised that Apatosaurus looks so much bigger than Brachiosaurus, if you have scaled them correctly.
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2011
Hi! Brad-ysaurus.

On ground I represented some hypothetical ferns, as you know, grasss apperars on fossil record several millions of year later.
The idea is represent a plant eaters comunity on a open landscape, animals with very big bodies couldnt´live in a dense forest, so, opened areas shouldn´t be "naked", surely some kind of plants occupied the ecological equivalent of actual grass.

Good point. Apatosaurus seems bigger than Brachiosaurus because one of them is up right. Apatosaurus was masive and heavy but Brachiosaurus is taller
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Brad-ysaurus Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2011
Makes sense. I'm just used to ferns being green, are they sometimes yellow too?
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2011
Ferns are mainly green, but sometimes can be redish when comes new frondes (leaves of ferns), or brownish when they are dry.
Intermediate color could be possible in intermediate stages
Actual species of ferns are in several forms and color, certainly green is a dominant color of group but also bluish, pale green, dark green, purplish.
About forms, it´s widely oberved the typical form of fronds, but if you seek on ferns group, you´ll find many diferent forms, even some like grass or like vascular plants shapes
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Hyrotrioskjan Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2011  Professional General Artist
Oh I love the dryosaurs.
wonderful technique.
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2011
Thanks Hyrotrioskjan

best wishes
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BrokenMachine86 Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
BESTIAL! que magnífico trabajo! La cantidad de detalles y la lograda sensación de escala, los saurópodos realmente parecen enormes.
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011
Gracias Broken

Saludos
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EWilloughby Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011  Professional General Artist
Look at all those Dryosaurs running with one foot off the ground! Greg Paul would be pissed.
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011
Hi Ferahgo,
Thanks for you message, I´m sorry but I miss the idea, What do you mean?
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EWilloughby Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011  Professional General Artist
Sorry, I was being facetious. Greg Paul has recently gotten angry with people for copying his poses, saying that anyone who draws a side profile of a running dinosaur with its left foot off the ground is using his idea.

It's an absurd notion and I enjoy poking fun at it. Your painting is beautiful and I didn't meant to shift focus from it! Great work.
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011
Hi Ferahgo,
Greg could be right, his influence is notorious and may be his personal seal. I knew about his work both paleontologic and artistic, near 1989-90. I remember that his paticular style is to represent his animals with a hind limd flexed, in many cases on side.
With pass of time, his influence on many of us was very strong. Many people began to represent their animals at Paul´s style, mainly on black and white artwork and sometimes is not possible to identificate the artist.
Later, came "Jurassic park", the theropods in the movie are his animals become to life.
I consider my self like his fan numer one in Mexico, and he know it, I told him when I met him in a SVP in 2000 in Mexico City. It was an unforgatable experience for me to meet one of my most admired people.
I consider too, that each one us should to develop a personal style on artwork. Influences are inevitables, but always with a personal feeling.

Best wishes
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EWilloughby Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011  Professional General Artist
Well, that's true of course. Developing a personal style is always very important, and he was very influential on my early style for dinosaurs as well. I think he's currently overreacting about it, but I definitely agree that it's too bad when people copy his style directly, which is a rampant problem in paleoart currently.
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011
Yes, many people copy his style, but form many others paleoartists too, I´m sure you have seen the famous image for book cover "Dinosaurs heressies", Jonh Gurche is other victim of copies at great scale
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CtenospondylusVera Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011   Traditional Artist
GREAT!!!!
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bioimagen Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011
Thanks CtenospondylusVera
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